Conservative Christians are a contradiction

Republican ads seem to espouse being: conservative Christians, pledged supporters of President Trump (proven liar of 16,000 lies, had affairs outside of marriages, belittles people, uses profanity and lacks self-esteem), supporters of the Second Amendment, and tough on crime.

The conservative Christian believes (seems to believe):

1) Christ loves a certain ethnicity.

2) God didn’t create mankind; therefore, they have no inalienable rights, such as voting in all elections, having access to medical care, etc.

3) God does not love regardless of creed or color; ergo, that idea is null and void.

4) Build a wall because the poor, tired and hungry should not be cared for.

5) This country does not belong to God, but to certain people.

6) Exaggerate or use hyperbole just to prove a lie.

I pray that my assessment is wrong.

Gov. Kay Ivey, a conservative Christian, refused to stay the execution of Nathaniel Woods. Woods was convicted of being with Kerry Spencer, who confessed to killing three policemen, not Woods. Two jurors, Martin Luther King III, lawyers and celebrities pled for leniency for Woods. Woods was executed by lethal injection on March 5.

Ivey declared that “every life is sacred and a gift from God.” This statement is puzzling, since the governor has consented to end the life of nine men by lethal injection. Her words and actions are a contradiction.

I pray to remain a follower of Jesus Christ and never become a conservative Christian, who contradicts everything that Jesus Christ espoused!

Mayzola Vaughn

Killen

(11) comments

David Rau

Mr Gray says the unemployment rate under Trump is the lowest but thats only because 180,000 baby boomers are retiring each month not because of anything Trump did. Only reason welfare rolls are falling is because Trump has thrown millions of poor people off food stamps just last year he cut 1 million poor kids from getting a meal at school for many of them it was there only good meal of the day. No jobs have come back to america but many have left like Carrier and Harley Davidson and GM and Ford jobs that have went to Mexico. And the flood of illegals have not been stopped because there was never any national emergency on the border to start with. Also Trump is no good business man he went bankrupt 6 times and lost 1 billion dollars in business. And now we find ourselves in the Trump recession because of the Trump virus. Millions are now being laid off and the stock market has suffered its worst loss in over 70 years. Even before this happened 40% of american family's could not even meet a 400 dollar expense and 60% of american family's could not meet a 1,000 dollar expense. Also because of the Trump Tax cut for the rich the working man had to pay 90 billion more in Fed. tax last year. So you see Mr. Gray the only promises Trump kept were for his rich friends.

David Rau

I agree with you Mr. Gray George Wallace was a total disgrace which makes me wonder how you can support a person like Trump? Trump has nothing in common with anyone from Alabama or Tennessee. Trumps the worst President in history and the most corrupt with the lowest iq and has no morals. Today it came to light that Trump's advisories advised him to do something to fight the corona virus back in Jan. but he ignored them..The corona virus now is being called the Trump Virus. So tell us Mr. Gray why you would support a person like Trump who was never fit to be the President?

Bill Gray

Hi David Rau, You seem to be following a long established Liberal Democrat way of having a dialogue - make a lot of unsubstantiated, "Throw IT against the wall to see if it will stick" accusations. But you offer ZERO proof to substantiate your claims.

You say that President Trump is the worst president in history. That only shows that you know little about American History. Under President Trump the unemployment rate is the lowest in the last 50 years. Under President Trump more and more people have been leaving the welfare rolls and finding productive employment. Under President Trump many companies which had moved manufacturing off-shore have begun to bring those jobs back to America. Under President Trump the flood of Illegals over our borders has been drastically reduced.

Literally every campaign promise he made in the 2016 Election - he has made good on them. I don't believe any other president in our history has done that. Why? Because they have all be politicians - and he is a very successful businessman who knows how to make things happen. Will I vote for President Trump in the 2020 Elections? YOU BETCHA!

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, in all elections: local, state, federal.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, for all candidates and on all issues.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, to leave a Positive Moral Legacy for your children and grandchildren.

BY THE WAY, Voting Conservative in 2020 means VOTING FOR TRUMP IN 2020!

The last time I could respect a Democratic president - was President Harry Truman.

The only other presidents I have been able to respect in my lifetime have been President Reagan and President Trump.

God bless America, Bill

David Rau

Mr. Gray did not tell us why he became a republican when LBJ was president I assume it was because LBJ was so strong for civil rights. That was the year that Alabama turned to the racist republican party because Alabama did not want civil rights and voting rights for Blacks. Mr. Gray's ramblings are a perfect example of the dumbing down of out once great nation. It's truly scary that people like Mr. Gray walks the earth.

Bill Gray

Hi David Rau, First, thank you for your response to my post. You complain that it is too long, but in reply I can only say that I tried to answer Mayzola's full accusation against Conservative Christians - and I will admit that did make it longer than I would have liked for his type of dialogue.

You ask why I re-registered Republican when Lyndon Johnson was nominated. That is a fair question. I was born in Tuscumbia in 1937 and grew up in Sheffield and Muscle Shoals. Even though I saw segregation all around me, I was never prejudiced and I never heard any racial prejudice in my home. But seeing segregation all around me, I just assumed that was the way of the world. When I joined the Air Force in June 1955 I found that was not true - and I celebrated that fact.

When I was stationed at Osan Air Base in Korea, my best friend was a black guitar player from Chicago or Detroit (can't recall which) named Bob White. When he and I were at the terminal at Osan preparing to come back to the states, and both of us were to be stationed at Bergstrom AFB in Austin, he told me, "Bill, you realize that when we get to Austin we cannot hang out together anymore." That was 1957, and segregation was still happening, but I was shocked that this young man from the North realized that and I, a product of the South, did not.

To make this a wee bit shorter, after the Air Force, Bob White became one of the founding members of MoTown's Funk Brothers band - and I was very happy for him.

Now to your question about Lyndon Johnson and why I could not stand him. Johnson was a typical Southern Democrat Politician, in the cut of the Longs from Louisiana - and I was sick of, and embarrassed by, the racial actions I saw happening in my home state of Alabama. Lyndon Johnson was just another George Wallace - and I could not stomach either of them. And that is why I became a Conservative Republican, and why I am a Conservative Born-Again Christian.

David, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain my actions and thoughts. And, yes, I am going to:

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, in all elections: local, state, federal.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, for all candidates and on all issues.

VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN 2020, to leave a Positive Moral Legacy for your children and grandchildren.

BY THE WAY, Voting Conservative in 2020 means VOTING FOR TRUMP IN 2020!

God bless America, Bill

Bill Gray

Hi Mayzola Vaughn,

Let me reply to your claims in your Letter To The Editor titled "Conservative Christians Are A Contradiction" posted on Mar 20, 2020. First let me say that I have been a Conservative Christian, born-again believer since 1987, 33 years. I am also a Conservative Republican. I was born and raised in Sheffield, Alabama, and was a registered Democrat - until 1964 when the Democratic Party nominated Lyndon Johnson for president. I went out that day and re-registered Republican.

You say: Republican ads seem to espouse being: Conservative Christians, pledged supporters of President Trump (proven liar of 16,000 lies, had affairs outside of marriages, belittles people, uses profanity and lacks self-esteem), supporters of the Second Amendment, and tough on crime.

Rebuttal: Yes, I believe that many Republicans are Conservative Christians (that is a plus). We pledge support of President Trump because every single campaign promise he made, he has kept - unlike most politicians and especially Democrats. You claim, in typical Democrat "Throw IT Against The Wall And See If It Sticks" style of debate - to have proven 16,000 lies told by President Trump. I would love to see your proof of that claim. You say President Trump has had affairs outside of marriage. Once again, I would like to see proof of that claim. You say he belittles people and uses profanity. I have seen him defend himself on Social Media, I believe you would do the same. You say he uses profanity. Personally I have never heard him utter a profane word, but if he did - have YOU ever used a curse word, or used the common slang "OMG"? Then you are also guilty of profanity. You say he lacks self-esteem. Such a claim is like a Democrat standing in a rain storm and asking, "What rain?" I doubt he became a billionaire by having low self-esteem.

Now let's address your claim of "The conservative Christian believes (seems to believe)" one by one:

But first let me clarify the difference between a Conservative Christian and a Liberal Christian. A Conservative Christian views the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, infallible, authoritative, literal Written Word of God. A Liberal Christian views the Bible as a book of metaphors, symbolism, and myths, i.e., a good guideline for living - but not the literal Written Word of God.

Now to respond to your talking points:

You say we believe: 1) Christ loves a certain ethnicity.

Conservative Christians believe what we read in Romans 10:12, "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him."

You say we believe: 2) God didn’t create mankind; therefore, they have no inalienable rights, such as voting in all elections, having access to medical care, etc.

Conservative Christians believe what we read in Genesis 1:27, "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

You say we believe: 3) God does not love regardless of creed or color; ergo, that idea is null and void.

Conservative Christians believe what we read in Romans 10:12, "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him."

You say we believe: 4) Build a wall because the poor, tired, and hungry should not be cared for.

Conservative Christians believe what we read in Matthew 25:35-36, 40, "For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me. . . . And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' "

You say we believe: 5) This country does not belong to God, but to certain people.

Conservative Christians believe what we read in Matthew 22:36-40, "'Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?' Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.' "

You say we believe: 6) Exaggerate or use hyperbole just to prove a lie.

Conservative Christians believe this false claim comes straight out of the Liberal Left Democratic Playbook, i.e., make a claim so outrageous, throw IT against the wall - and hope that some people will believe it. This is what I would expect from anyone who will support Doug Jones.

You say - "I pray that my assessment is wrong."

Conservative Christians say - "Your prayer has been answered - you are wrong!"

You say - Gov. Kay Ivey, a Conservative Christian, refused to stay the execution of Nathaniel Woods. Woods was convicted of being with Kerry Spencer, who confessed to killing three policemen, not Woods. Two jurors, Martin Luther King III, lawyers and celebrities pleaded for leniency for Woods. Woods was executed by lethal injection on March 5. Ivey declared that “every life is sacred and a gift from God.” This statement is puzzling, since the governor has consented to end the life of nine men by lethal injection. Her words and actions are a contradiction.

Conservative Christians say - How should a Christian view the death penalty? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard. God has the highest standard of any being; He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes. (from GotQuestions (dot) Org)

Finally You say - I pray to remain a follower of Jesus Christ and never become a Conservative Christian, who contradicts everything that Jesus Christ espoused!

Conservative Christians say - You are showing your Biblical Illiteracy with such a Biblically unsupported claim. Over the past three years we have seen many Liberal Democrats mouth the words, "I am a Christian believer" - but their actions totally disprove that claim.

Mayzola, I truly believe you are a Christian sister, but unfortunately one who has been led down the Liberal Yellow Brick Road. However, in the last days we will stand as Christian brethren and face our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, side by side. God bless, Bill Gray

Mayzola Vaughn, Killen, Alabama

David Rau

Yes you cannot call yourself a Christian and support Trump just look at his record.1.Before he ran for president he was all for abortion, 2 He has been married 3 times and has cheated on his present wife. 3,He has cut food stamps for the poor and cut 1 million kids from getting a free meal at school. 4.Passed a huge tax cut for the rich and made the working man pay 90 billion more in fed. tax last year. 5.Wants 24 billion to go back to the moon for more rocks while our roads and bridges crumble, 6.Made it legal for the mentally ill to buy guns which has led to the mass killings of hundreds. 7. Says he would love to date how own daughter. 8, The most corrupt President ever and has broken 5 laws. 9. Seven kids were killed in his cages and nursing babies were taken from their moms in his concentration camps.10, He had 3 months warning about the corona virus and all he did was play golf. 11. Trump never entered a church before he ran for the Presidency. 12. Trump had the chance to get all the test kits we needed to test for the corona virus from the world Health Organization but he said no because he wanted Lab, corp to make millions with their tests which we don't even have no where near enough of. 13, Blames everyone but himself on his failure to stop the corona virus from coming to our shores, And this is a short list on immoral and corrupt Trump. There is no way you can call yourself a Christian and support Trump.

joe hurst

Several outright lies. You cannot be a Christian and support democrats!

James Baker

Read the truth first before you attempt to get in to the mind of the Conservative Christian. Only ONE can judge us and it's not you. God Bless and Merry Christmas.

Jacob Pasley

Baby killers who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

Jacob Pasley

TDS even have the atheists identifying as Christians now. Liberals see the world thru polarized lenses honey, you're a big part of the problem.

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