Twisted view of ‘religion’ clause

The purpose of the “religion” clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution was to set the people free from having to support the Church of England, and allow them to make their own choices concerning church affiliation or non-affiliation, without interference by the government.

To say that students praying at a ballgame or other school event violates this is ridiculous. This perverted application of the First Amendment also infringes on the right of free speech guaranteed in the same amendment.

Here is what some of the founders and other respected men in its history had to say about religion.

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.” — George Washington

“We have been assured, sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build, it. I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.” — Benjamin Franklin

Those who contend that the First Amendment is violated by students praying in public schools overlook the part that says the free exercise of religion is not to be prohibited by government.

Euell White

Florence

(10) comments

David Rau

I proved to Pasley that separation of church and state is in the constitution. Praying in the end zone at a football game has nothing to do with it. The supreme court only said forced prayer was unconstitutional they said not a word about praying at a football game. If some school system is outlawing prayer at a football game then that's a local issue decided by a local school board it has nothing do with the federal judiciary. But i'm not suprised that Pasly would try to dance around the issue when he is wrong since he is a low educated Trump supporter.

Jacob Pasley

I've already posted the 1st amendment dumb dumb. No where does it state or imply separation of church and state. We swear our Presidents in with the Bible, we have in God we trust on our money, we even have Chaplains in Congress and our Military. Establishing a national religion is the only thing outlawed in the Constitution. I'm not surprised you can't grasp this now fully understanding your lack of mental acuity and education.

David Rau

When talking about separation of church and state it should be noted what the founding fathers thought. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison both believed that without separating church from state there could be no religious freedom.. In a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 Jefferson wrote " I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole american people which declared that their legislation should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise ther of thus building a wall of seperation between church and state."

The supreme court cited Jeffersons letter in a key case in the 1947 case Everson vs board of Education, the court cited a direct link between Jeffersons wall of saparation concept and the first amendments establishment clause. So you see Pasley you can run from the truth but you can't hide from it

Jacob Pasley

Again dumb dumb, this has nothing to do with praying in the endzone. It does not "establish" anything. It does, however, violate "free exercise". You can copy/paste all day long, we all now know you can't think for yourself, a truth you'll never be able to hide from.

David Rau

The First of the First Ammendments two religious clauses reads. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" The clause is absolute. It allows no law. The clause forbids more than the establishment of religion by the government. It forbids even laws respecting an establishment of religion. The establishment clause sets up a line of demorcation between the functions and operations of the insitutions of religion and government in our society. It does so because the framers of the First Amendment recognized that when the roles of the government and religion are intertwined the result too often has been bloodshed and opression. There is your proof Pasley don't worry i won't take your million. Maybe i'll ; let you buy me lunch at Cracker Barrel sometime.

Jacob Pasley

dumb dumb, you only reiterated exactly what I already posted. No where in the clause does it state "separation of church and state". Establishment of a national religion and praying in the end zone are two completely separate events. Surely even a half wit like yourself can understand that. I'll be standing by patiently waiting on real proof with the million in my hand old boy.

Jacob Pasley

If you are going to copy/paste someone else's thoughts from a "forum" the least you can do is provide a link and not attempt to pass it off as your own thoughts. Plagiarism is for the weak mined, I knew an original thought could not exist in your mind.

https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-religion/establishment-clause-overview/

Jacob Pasley

The 1st Amendment Ladies and Gentlemen:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

David Rau

Mr. White needs to be educated about the facts. We have a separation of church and state and is found in the establishment clause of the 1st amendment. Its' purpose is that church and state must not mix. We don't need a theocracy in this country like Iran has And its not illegal for students to pray in public schools, they have always had that right but it is illegal for them to be led in forced prayer. I'm happy i could school you Mr. white

Jacob Pasley

OK dumb dumb, provide us with the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment that states "Separation of Church and State". I'll bet you a million dollars you can't.

The establishment cause prevents the government from establishing a national religion. Praying in the endzone of a football field does no such thing. Being a government employee who has zero authority to make laws about religion does no such thing.

Ol dumb dumb chastises Mr. White for not being educated, yet he himself responds with a very uneducated response. Not one thing Mr. White stated was incorrect.

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